[Dxspider-support] [Trouble Ticket #845] DXSpider RTTY Spots
Dirk Koopman
djk at tobit.co.uk
Sat Feb 12 13:57:47 GMT 2022
The only reason that it is 3 characters long is to allow as much space
for the zone list to allow users to see whether the spot is being heard
by skimmers in their general area.
The "set/width 120" remark was really an answer to Kin saying there's
never enough room in 80 characters (a 1980's terminal width).
But there is a head of steam building for standardising on putting the
mode in all comments as the first token. It's never got very far because
one *has* to put it in and manual spotters don't (as a rule) and
probably won't in the future. But, as more and more people connect to
cluster nodes using programs, and if all the programs agree to do it, it
would create a de facto standard. I could even change the dx command so
that if you don't enter a recognised mode in the comment, asks for one.
Dirk
On 12/02/2022 13:45, Rob Harrison wrote:
>
> Hi Dirk
>
> I tried *set/width 120* but the spots are still displaying RTT not
> RTTY. N1MM Contest logger is looking for RTTY
>
> 73 Rob
>
> *From:*Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces at tobit.co.uk> *On
> Behalf Of *Dirk Koopman via Dxspider-support
> *Sent:* 12 February 2022 13:42
> *To:* Joaquin . via Dxspider-support <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>
> *Cc:* Dirk Koopman <djk at tobit.co.uk>
> *Subject:* Re: [Dxspider-support] [Trouble Ticket #845] DXSpider RTTY
> Spots
>
> set/width 120
>
> is your friend:-) And its sticky too.
>
> 73 Dirk G1TLH
>
> On 12/02/2022 13:15, Joaquin . via Dxspider-support wrote:
>
> Human beings never cease to amaze me more and more every day.
>
> We want to have as much information as possible in our window, but
> our window has a standard size of 80 columns for all the fields we
> want to see simultaneously.
> Difficult solution to be able to please everyone without modifying
> or losing something.
>
> We are not very flexible and our input is the default complaint.
>
> It is at least surprising that the N1MM developers do not keep
> track of the main sources of spots, and in particular of the most
> used software on the Net.
>
> Kin EA3CV
>
> El sáb, 12 feb 2022 a las 13:25, Rob Harrison via Dxspider-support
> (<dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>) escribió:
>
> My response to K3CT (one of the N1MM Dev Team) was:-
>
> Hi John,
>
> Yes the raw feed from the RTTY Skimmer includes RTTY in the
> comment field however DXSpider (the most popular cluster
> software) takes the RBN feed and reformats the spots to
> include better information in the comments field...... but the
> mode is written as RTT not RTTY. It would be helpful if N1MM
> was to recognise the comment RTT as RTTY. Typical output from
> the DXspider cluster RBN version is as below.
>
> The RBN website encourages users to connect to a cluster not
> the telnet feed directly. /"//Our intent is that "retail" DX
> clusters should connect via telnet to one these nodes, and
> that end-users should connect to the "retail" nodes."/
>
> Regards
>
> Rob
>
> DX de DF7GB-#: 14106.3 RW4W RTT 22dB Q:5* Z:15
> 1210Z
>
> DX de DO4DXA-#: 21085.6 TF1AM RTT 16dB Q:3*+ Z:8
> 1210Z
>
> DX de SQ5M/P-#: 7038.0 PI4CC CW 5dB Q:9+ Z:14
> 1210Z
>
> DX de HB9JCB-#: 7035.0 SP1AEN CW 12dB Q:9+ Z:16
> 1210Z
>
> DX de HG8A-#: 10115.0 PA/IZ0NGH CW 12dB Q:8* Z:14,40
> 1210Z
>
> DX de LY2XW-#: 14026.4 PE1BQE CW 15dB Q:4* Z:5
> 1210Z
>
> DX de OE9GHV-#: 7050.4 G0FGI RTT 29dB Q:3 Z:14
> 1210Z
>
> DX de OE9GHV-#: 14125.5 LB2TG RTT 22dB Q:2 Z:14
> 1210Z
>
> DX de MM0ZBH-#: 10114.0 OM6AN/P CW 17dB Q:6+ Z:15
> 1210Z
>
> DX de HA1AG-#: 14044.0 PA2JWN CW 7dB Q:9*+ Z:20
> 1210Z
>
> DX de MM0ZBH-#: 21026.1 YO4PX CW 30dB Q:9*
> Z:16,17,18 1210Z
>
> DX de DF7GB-#: 14135.3 OH1NOA RTT 29dB Q:2+ Z:15
> 1210Z
>
> DX de G4ZFE-#: 14113.2 RL9LR RTT 20dB Q:8*
> Z:5,15,16,20 1210Z
>
> *From:*Dxspider-support <dxspider-support-bounces at tobit.co.uk>
> *On Behalf Of *Rob Harrison via Dxspider-support
> *Sent:* 12 February 2022 12:21
> *To:* The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support at dxcluster.org>
> *Cc:* Rob Harrison <g4ujs at outlook.com>
> *Subject:* [Dxspider-support] FW: [Trouble Ticket #845]
> DXSpider RTTY Spots
>
> Hi All
>
> See below, I reported to the N1M development team that Spider
> RBN RTTY spots are not recognised.. as RTTY due to RTT not
> RTTY in the comments… I have responded to K3CT with more
> detail regarding the reformatting of spots but we will see.
> One smart individual said to my post:
>
> /“//Looks to me as either a bug or faulty design RTTY has been
> called RTTY for over 60 years…/
>
> //
>
> /However simple enough, set cluster to reject all spot
> comments except for RTT and then set N1MM to accept everything
> it receives./
>
> //
>
> /Alternative use a DX cluster that does not change RTTY to RTT.”/
>
> Not really useful….. Dirk it maybe useful if you emailed N1MM
>
> 73 Rob G4UJS
>
> *From:*N1MM TroubleTicket <Support at hamdocs.com>
> *Sent:* 12 February 2022 11:11
> *To:* rob.harrison at mis-specialists.co.uk
> *Subject:* [Trouble Ticket #845] DXSpider RTTY Spots
>
> *k3ct* wrote:
>
> We have a note in the source code that the rtty skimmer
> includes “RTTY” in the comment field.
>
> Could be a bug in the cluster software?
>
> John, K3CT
>
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>
> *G4UJS* /2022/02/12 04:23:53/(reply)
>
> Additional information. DXSpider reformats RBN spots, this is
> what the output looks like.
>
> DX de F6IIT-#: 7020.0 ON75ODE CW 31dB Q:9+ Z:15 0922Z
> DX de OH2BBT-#: 14090.0 9A5D RTT 49dB Q:8+ Z:20 0922Z
> DX de G4ZFE-#: 21101.8 UA3QJJ RTT 15dB Q:2 Z:20 0922Z
> DX de DE1LON-#: 21088.0 9A1A RTT 16dB Q:2+ Z:16 0922Z
> DX de DE1LON-#: 21116.8 R9OK RTT 24dB Q:2+ Z:20 0920Z
>
> 73 de Rob G4UJS
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *G4UJS* /2022/02/11 19:58:30/(report)
>
> RTTY RBN spots from DXSpider are identified by RTT as the
> first 3 characters of the comments field.
>
> N1MM doesn't seem to identify these RTTY spots as RTTY spots!!
>
> Can this be adjusted please?
>
> 73 de Rob G4UJS
>
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