[Dxspider-support] [Trouble Ticket #845] DXSpider RTTY Spots
Rob Harrison
g4ujs at outlook.com
Sat Feb 12 14:01:58 GMT 2022
Thanks Dirk...I appreciate why you are only using 3 characters for mode and I totally agree with you. The simple fix would be for N1MM to recognise RTT. Guess I haven't asked them nicely enough yet!
73
From: Dirk Koopman <djk at tobit.co.uk>
Sent: 12 February 2022 13:58
To: Rob Harrison <g4ujs at outlook.com>; The DXSpider Support list <dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Dxspider-support] [Trouble Ticket #845] DXSpider RTTY Spots
The only reason that it is 3 characters long is to allow as much space for the zone list to allow users to see whether the spot is being heard by skimmers in their general area.
The "set/width 120" remark was really an answer to Kin saying there's never enough room in 80 characters (a 1980's terminal width).
But there is a head of steam building for standardising on putting the mode in all comments as the first token. It's never got very far because one *has* to put it in and manual spotters don't (as a rule) and probably won't in the future. But, as more and more people connect to cluster nodes using programs, and if all the programs agree to do it, it would create a de facto standard. I could even change the dx command so that if you don't enter a recognised mode in the comment, asks for one.
Dirk
On 12/02/2022 13:45, Rob Harrison wrote:
Hi Dirk
I tried set/width 120 but the spots are still displaying RTT not RTTY. N1MM Contest logger is looking for RTTY
73 Rob
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Sent: 12 February 2022 13:42
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Subject: Re: [Dxspider-support] [Trouble Ticket #845] DXSpider RTTY Spots
set/width 120
is your friend:-) And its sticky too.
73 Dirk G1TLH
On 12/02/2022 13:15, Joaquin . via Dxspider-support wrote:
Human beings never cease to amaze me more and more every day.
We want to have as much information as possible in our window, but our window has a standard size of 80 columns for all the fields we want to see simultaneously.
Difficult solution to be able to please everyone without modifying or losing something.
We are not very flexible and our input is the default complaint.
It is at least surprising that the N1MM developers do not keep track of the main sources of spots, and in particular of the most used software on the Net.
Kin EA3CV
El sáb, 12 feb 2022 a las 13:25, Rob Harrison via Dxspider-support (<dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk<mailto:dxspider-support at tobit.co.uk>>) escribió:
My response to K3CT (one of the N1MM Dev Team) was:-
Hi John,
Yes the raw feed from the RTTY Skimmer includes RTTY in the comment field however DXSpider (the most popular cluster software) takes the RBN feed and reformats the spots to include better information in the comments field...... but the mode is written as RTT not RTTY. It would be helpful if N1MM was to recognise the comment RTT as RTTY. Typical output from the DXspider cluster RBN version is as below.
The RBN website encourages users to connect to a cluster not the telnet feed directly. "Our intent is that "retail" DX clusters should connect via telnet to one these nodes, and that end-users should connect to the "retail" nodes."
Regards
Rob
DX de DF7GB-#: 14106.3 RW4W RTT 22dB Q:5* Z:15 1210Z
DX de DO4DXA-#: 21085.6 TF1AM RTT 16dB Q:3*+ Z:8 1210Z
DX de SQ5M/P-#: 7038.0 PI4CC CW 5dB Q:9+ Z:14 1210Z
DX de HB9JCB-#: 7035.0 SP1AEN CW 12dB Q:9+ Z:16 1210Z
DX de HG8A-#: 10115.0 PA/IZ0NGH CW 12dB Q:8* Z:14,40 1210Z
DX de LY2XW-#: 14026.4 PE1BQE CW 15dB Q:4* Z:5 1210Z
DX de OE9GHV-#: 7050.4 G0FGI RTT 29dB Q:3 Z:14 1210Z
DX de OE9GHV-#: 14125.5 LB2TG RTT 22dB Q:2 Z:14 1210Z
DX de MM0ZBH-#: 10114.0 OM6AN/P CW 17dB Q:6+ Z:15 1210Z
DX de HA1AG-#: 14044.0 PA2JWN CW 7dB Q:9*+ Z:20 1210Z
DX de MM0ZBH-#: 21026.1 YO4PX CW 30dB Q:9* Z:16,17,18 1210Z
DX de DF7GB-#: 14135.3 OH1NOA RTT 29dB Q:2+ Z:15 1210Z
DX de G4ZFE-#: 14113.2 RL9LR RTT 20dB Q:8* Z:5,15,16,20 1210Z
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Subject: [Dxspider-support] FW: [Trouble Ticket #845] DXSpider RTTY Spots
Hi All
See below, I reported to the N1M development team that Spider RBN RTTY spots are not recognised.. as RTTY due to RTT not RTTY in the comments... I have responded to K3CT with more detail regarding the reformatting of spots but we will see. One smart individual said to my post:
"Looks to me as either a bug or faulty design RTTY has been called RTTY for over 60 years...
However simple enough, set cluster to reject all spot comments except for RTT and then set N1MM to accept everything it receives.
Alternative use a DX cluster that does not change RTTY to RTT."
Not really useful..... Dirk it maybe useful if you emailed N1MM
73 Rob G4UJS
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Sent: 12 February 2022 11:11
To: rob.harrison at mis-specialists.co.uk<mailto:rob.harrison at mis-specialists.co.uk>
Subject: [Trouble Ticket #845] DXSpider RTTY Spots
k3ct wrote:
We have a note in the source code that the rtty skimmer includes "RTTY" in the comment field.
Could be a bug in the cluster software?
John, K3CT
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G4UJS 2022/02/12 04:23:53(reply)
Additional information. DXSpider reformats RBN spots, this is what the output looks like.
DX de F6IIT-#: 7020.0 ON75ODE CW 31dB Q:9+ Z:15 0922Z
DX de OH2BBT-#: 14090.0 9A5D RTT 49dB Q:8+ Z:20 0922Z
DX de G4ZFE-#: 21101.8 UA3QJJ RTT 15dB Q:2 Z:20 0922Z
DX de DE1LON-#: 21088.0 9A1A RTT 16dB Q:2+ Z:16 0922Z
DX de DE1LON-#: 21116.8 R9OK RTT 24dB Q:2+ Z:20 0920Z
73 de Rob G4UJS
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G4UJS 2022/02/11 19:58:30(report)
RTTY RBN spots from DXSpider are identified by RTT as the first 3 characters of the comments field.
N1MM doesn't seem to identify these RTTY spots as RTTY spots!!
Can this be adjusted please?
73 de Rob G4UJS
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